Comments on: Dance with the devil and you’ll get burned http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/ Sharing lessons learned in business and online marketing Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:52:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Mark http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2179 Mark Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:01:02 +0000 http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2179 I agree. Can google come up with a set of rules and stick to them. There is too much grey area. I understand SOME grey but if you are doing everything by the book you should be rewarded. I guess google is doing what they can but don't they seem like the SEO Nazis these days. You work for six months on what you believe to be within the guidlines only to find out that you have broken some unknown rule. I am even afraid of badmouthing them,google, now. Maybe they are watching? Ok thats my rant. Great Post. Thanks I agree. Can google come up with a set of rules and stick to them. There is too much grey area. I understand SOME grey but if you are doing everything by the book you should be rewarded. I guess google is doing what they can but don’t they seem like the SEO Nazis these days. You work for six months on what you believe to be within the guidlines only to find out that you have broken some unknown rule. I am even afraid of badmouthing them,google, now. Maybe they are watching? Ok thats my rant. Great Post. Thanks

]]> By: Wayne http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2107 Wayne Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:46:55 +0000 http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2107 Building a site to meet all the 'unwritten' rules can be daunting. Yet, if someone can reach that level for that long before they get penalized maybe just focusing on building a good site is the most important. Besides, understanding how to do many of the things not supported by the g takes time and work that many new websites do not even have. Building a site to meet all the ‘unwritten’ rules can be daunting. Yet, if someone can reach that level for that long before they get penalized maybe just focusing on building a good site is the most important. Besides, understanding how to do many of the things not supported by the g takes time and work that many new websites do not even have.

]]> By: Neale http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2085 Neale Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:47:16 +0000 http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2085 Interesting post & thanks for the links out I found a great tip on one of them :) All these things g is doing is a pain in the butt, its cost me a fair chunk of change with the devaluing of paid links but thats ok Its just made me focus more on the constants "Unique Content" maybe i should have wrote "the only constant" ;) Interesting post & thanks for the links out I found a great tip on one of them :) All these things g is doing is a pain in the butt, its cost me a fair chunk of change with the devaluing of paid links but thats ok Its just made me focus more on the constants “Unique Content” maybe i should have wrote “the only constant” ;)

]]> By: Scott http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2084 Scott Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:24:26 +0000 http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2084 Yep, a proper Google slap for him. I don't think you'll see him rank for some time now unless changes are made and re-inclusion done. Yep, a proper Google slap for him. I don’t think you’ll see him rank for some time now unless changes are made and re-inclusion done.

]]> By: Carl http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2082 Carl Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:15:54 +0000 http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2082 And he's still not back up in the rankings for "John Chow", looks like its a bit more of a permanent thing this time around. And he’s still not back up in the rankings for “John Chow”, looks like its a bit more of a permanent thing this time around.

]]> By: Scott http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2078 Scott Mon, 02 Jul 2007 07:24:27 +0000 http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2078 Sitewide links on low quality sites would not be a great idea imo, especially if they are unrelated as that could affect your perceived trust. Sitewide links on low quality sites would not be a great idea imo, especially if they are unrelated as that could affect your perceived trust.

]]> By: sam http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2074 sam Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:51:05 +0000 http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2074 hi, one of my sites fell 70 positions - from page 1 to page 7 for a high paying keyword. the only thing i had done was made a couple of sitewide link exchanges (3-way: so there was no outbound link for the link partner from my site). could this be a factor for the drop? hi,
one of my sites fell 70 positions - from page 1 to page 7 for a high paying keyword. the only thing i had done was made a couple of sitewide link exchanges (3-way: so there was no outbound link for the link partner from my site). could this be a factor for the drop?

]]> By: Patrick Altoft http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2066 Patrick Altoft Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:35:41 +0000 http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2066 Most blogspot blogs simply don't have enough trust, age and quality links to rank well. Most blogspot blogs simply don’t have enough trust, age and quality links to rank well.

]]> By: nafi http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2064 nafi Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:21:36 +0000 http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2064 I think G is fixing what is not broken. If they feel that counting links to a particular website is not good enough anymore, they should find a way to determine the relevancy of a website some other way. The Internet is about networking. Blogging in particular is an exercise in networking, don't you think? It is all about links. Big business wants them, and bloggers control them. Monetizing any blog depends on turning links into money - whether those links be JavaScript, text or nofollow. G is in the business of making links into money too. So what gives them the right to dictate to the rest of us how to use the links at our disposal? Just because G would like to have sanitized links to feed into their ranking algorithms does not mean that there is a right or wrong way to turn money into links. G is short for Google - not God. Just because G declares paid links bad does not mean they are (or that they are going to stop existing). It would have been better for Google to keep this part of their algo secret (like the rest of it), because paid links are currently easy to identify and discount. But this declaration of war on paid links is going to make link merchants work SMARTER. Instead of announcing link sales on a site, the sales will be done off-site. Paid inks will no longer appear in footers and sidebars, but INSIDE article text. Paid links will not disappear. They will just get harder to spot. Is this what G intended? (I think Abdul has a point about G channeling "link money" towards ads of some kind. :cough: :adsense: :cough: I think G is fixing what is not broken. If they feel that counting links to a particular website is not good enough anymore, they should find a way to determine the relevancy of a website some other way.

The Internet is about networking. Blogging in particular is an exercise in networking, don’t you think? It is all about links. Big business wants them, and bloggers control them. Monetizing any blog depends on turning links into money - whether those links be JavaScript, text or nofollow.

G is in the business of making links into money too. So what gives them the right to dictate to the rest of us how to use the links at our disposal? Just because G would like to have sanitized links to feed into their ranking algorithms does not mean that there is a right or wrong way to turn money into links.

G is short for Google - not God. Just because G declares paid links bad does not mean they are (or that they are going to stop existing).

It would have been better for Google to keep this part of their algo secret (like the rest of it), because paid links are currently easy to identify and discount. But this declaration of war on paid links is going to make link merchants work SMARTER.

Instead of announcing link sales on a site, the sales will be done off-site. Paid inks will no longer appear in footers and sidebars, but INSIDE article text. Paid links will not disappear. They will just get harder to spot.

Is this what G intended?

(I think Abdul has a point about G channeling “link money” towards ads of some kind. :cough: :adsense: :cough:

]]> By: Hillie http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2063 Hillie Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:20:05 +0000 http://selfmademinds.com/200706/dance-with-the-devil-and-youll-get-burned/#comment-2063 maybe this is a bit offtopic ... but it seems to me that google does favor his own blogspot-blogs ... or is it just me? maybe this is a bit offtopic … but it seems to me that google does favor his own blogspot-blogs … or is it just me?

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